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Below is an interview with RL from 1976 that ran in Star
Trek Showcase III.
It was not a one-on-one interview. Rather, the
magazine sent him a list of questions via audio cassette, and he answered them at his apartment in New York and then returned
the tape.

ABOVE: Artwork by Karen Flanery that accompanied the
interview.
Can you, or would you care to describe what convinced you to become
an actor?
I can't. I started acting when I was very
young, and I enjoyed it, and I found that I did it well. I suppose there's that thing that happens with children
when they look at an adult doing something, and they say, 'Well, I can do that', or 'I can do that better'. I think
that happened with me, and I became an actor -- and probably a very bad actor -- at a young age. I worked in amateur
theatricals at the Ft. Wayne Civic Theater when I was a kid, and in high school plays, and so on. Then I came to New
York about 1949 or 1950, and here I saw a kind of acting that I didn't know anything about. I realized that those
people up there were doing something -- I'm speaking specifically of Marlon and Monty Clift -- and it didn't have to do with
the showing off or the getting attention that I had thought acting was when I was younger, and I wanted to learn how to do
that.
What do you consider the most appealing aspect of acting?
The work itself, the creation, the...when it's
happening, when it's right, particularly...well, I started to say 'particularly in the theater', but it happens there a lot
more for extended periods of time, I guess. But, when it's happening, you feel possibly like a performing artist must
feel. Maybe a violinist, I think, feels this way, or I think sports people feel this way, that there is a kind
of total concentration in art, and a kind of feeling of the moment that is going on which is...'pleasant' isn't the word.
It's an immense use of yourself, and I enjoy that very much.
What was your first professional role?
I'm not sure I remember what my first professional
role was. I think it was probably in summer stock, and I doubt if it was a memorable role at all. I probably played
some very small thing from that season. As a matter of fact, I'm not sure I can remember any of the plays. I have
a picture of myself in a play taken from the 1950s, and I have no idea what the play was, so I don't know what my first professional
role was. My first Broadway role was in Stalag 17. I played Dunbar. I replaced Mark Roberts, who created
the role. I replaced Mark and I played it on Broadway and on the road.
I do consider myself as belonging to a particular
school of acting, but I think that if you say you're a 'method actor' to people, people do not understand it, because they
don't understand the techniques involved. It has been, I believe, misrepresented almost entirely by writers who don't
understand it -- and who would like to. Writers don't seem to like actors very much; they seem to want to partronize
them most of the time. So, it's a little difficult to describe technically what school I belong to because, as I say,
I don't think most people understand the techniques involved. But I've taught method techniques, and I'm a method actor.
Is acting live on stage more or less difficult than acting before
a movie or television camera?
Well...it's different. I don't think that
the techniques involved are very different. I think that there are two kinds of 'bad' acting which are sort of more
or less acceptable: There is a 'movie bad acting', where nothing happens and everybody is sort of acting natural, and
that is somehow acceptable on the screen. There there is the 'theaterical bad acting', where people speak as though
all of the characters had a British accent and behave theaterically. That is sometimes accepted in the theater, but
those are both -- I think, at least, in my opinion, in my response to those kinds of acting -- I don't like either one of
them.
I think possibly the theater is more difficult, simply because it's a sustained
effort. I also think, in some ways, that it's easier, because in motion picture acting, you can get so involved in one
moment of the script that you're not playing the entire script. In other words, that you're making too much of that
moment. It's kind of like...I suppose the best example is a soap opera, where every moment is intensely experienced,
usually because the actors are having trouble with their lines. You know, they've learned them the night before, and
they get on their feet, and they're more or less really a little insecure in their lines, so they tend to give more emphasis
to each moment so that they can think of the next line. Film can become like that because you can forget that the scene
ends, really, at the airport, when you're playing it here at the house, and so you try to end it here. You try to give
it many, many values that it doesn't really have; whereas on stage, you have that 'through line'.
Do you watch your own performances on TV and in the movies, and,
if so, do you enjoy them as much as we do?
I do watch some of my own performances in TV and
in pictures. I doubt if I enjoy them as much as an audience does, because the cutting and the editing rarely matches
what the actor has experienced in the scene. If it does, it's because a very, very sensitive editor or director was
watching the editing.
What too often happens...particularly today what
happens in film editing is that the film is shot, and as it is shot, it is being assembled by an editor. Then, the editor
assembles the first cut, and the director sees the first cut, and they go from there. The problem with that, of course,
is that the editor is not on the set and, very often, since he's assembling piece by piece, he's not available to a 'through
line' that an actor might have had or a director might have intended. By the time the director gets there, and he sees
this first assemblage, sometimes he forgets his own 'through line', and he can be distracted from it. Very often,
if he didn't have it, he's not available to a kind of build or whatever that the actor was producing -- or something that
was actually happening, and something that was actually going on on the stage can get cut out if a scene is cut the wrong
way. So I am not sure that I enjoy watching film as much as other people.
That 'mew' was Minna, my cat. I have two
cats: one is stately, plump Buck Mulligan, and the other one is Minna Gould. Minna Gould is all yellow. They're
both named for characters in James Joyce's Ulysses, which probably seems a little pompous...but, why not?
What is your favorite theater, movie, and television role to date?
My favorite theater role is Steinberg's The Father, which I did
about three years ago. I played the father -- I played Adolph.
My favorite movie role to date? I have done four movies this past year,
and there are a couple of those roles I liked. There is one in False Face I enjoyed very much, although I think
it's not totally successful in that picture. And there's another one in the picture that I haven't seen yet. The
picture is called Acapulco Gold, which I made with Marjoe, and I enjoyed doing that role. I don't know what
it's going to look like in the finished picture.
My favorite televsion role? Probably a part I did in a script written
by Ken Kolb sometime in the fifties, in some teacher show. I can't even tell you who played the teacher right now, but
I loved the role. The man was a professor -- a kind of alcoholic proferssor -- and he was a lot of fun.
I liked Frank Savage. There were certain Frank Savage scripts that
I enjoyed very much. One by Dean Reisner called "Interlude", which I thought was a marvelous, marvelous story -- marvelous
script -- and I enjoyed doing it. Dana Wynter was in it.
What is your favorite Shakesperian play and/or role?
I don't know. I suppose my favorite Shakesperian play is
Hamlet, in which I would not want to play, mainly because I think that, for me, the definitive Hamlet was Nicol Williamson's.
A brilliant, brilliant performance -- loved that one! I would like to play Richard III, because I don't think
that's been played terribly well since John Barrymore played it. Olivier more or less copied Barrymore's performance.
I'd like to play around with that one sometime. I'd like to take a look at Lear as I get older -- some other
ones.
Have you ever considered directing or producing?
I've done a little film directing, which I enjoyed very, very much.
Producing is something that I really wouldn't want the headaches of. I've done some theater directing, years and years
ago -- it's been a long time.
Neither of them have much to do with acting at all, but they're both very
enjoyable. They're not extensions of acting at all, by the way, and I would never go on to directing instead of acting
or something. They just don't have much to do with each other.
What has been the most hazardous incident in your career?
The most hazardous incident in my career was when we were doing The
Man Who Never Was, and I decided to do my own stunt on the Ferris wheel in Vienna, and I climbed into the Ferris wheel
without being wired, and so on, which is just plain dumb. I think I had a hangover at the time.
Have you ever given in to the urge to write a novel, play, or a
script?
Yes.
If you were not an actor, what other profession would you choose?
I don't know. I think possibly, if I'd had the education...I don't
know. Maybe this is just thinking about it in later years, but I would have loved to have done something that I consider
of more immediate service -- like medicine or something. I have no idea what other profession. I'd like to paint,
but that's...you know.
Whom do you consider the greatest actor of this century?
I don't consider acting a competitive sport, so I can't answer that question.
There've been some great actors in this century. Marlon, certainly. After him, it gets... He's so unique that
it kind of changes down a little bit. I've seen recently some marvelous performances by Anthony Hopkins. Gene
Hackman is just a fine, fine method technician. Jason Robards has given some of the best individual performances, probably,
of any other actor in this century.
As for women...I don't know whether it's because I'm a man, I'm not as aware
of women's work as I am of men's. Julie Harris is certainly a brilliant actress, although she has moved me, not as often
as other actresses, and I consider that a criterion.
I sometimes...somehow don't consider all of the -- the ability to represent
various things in a wide scale of colors as being perhaps my most important criterion for acting. I consider those actors
who amaze me are somehow less attractive to me than those actors who move me.
Namu, the Killer Whale appears frequently on TV now.
Playing with such an unusual co-star wouldn't be easy to forget, so do you remember who did the diving scenes in that movie?
Of course, there weren't any diving scenes, there were scenes swimming with
Namu. There wasn't a stuntman. The man who owned Namu, who had trapped him, whose name I've forgotten, did a great
deal of it. Then, after the picture was over, they allowed me to do some of it, some of the shots that way. Some
of the close-ups they did, of course, with a mock-up of Namu, but I did ride him, and I did play with him. He was a
marvelous, marvelous animal. There was a...I always felt a great intelligence with Namu.
Will you continue to make infrequent appearances on the tube, or
can we hope to see you there more frequently in the future?
I don't - I hope not. Really, I live in
New York now. What I'm trying to do, of course, is to do more theater and more motion pictures, and stay away from the
tube.
Since we don't get to see much of you on TV right now, what are the most recent motion pictures
you've made?
I think I've already named those. Before this past year, there's
False Face, which is an independent. There's Bittersweet Love, which is Avco-Embassy, with Lana Turner.
I have a very small part in Bittersweet Love, by the way, although I'm starred in the picture. It's kind of
a nice picture, though. There's a marvelous performance by the girl in the picture -- Meredith Baxter-Birney -- it's
quite nice. Then a picture called Acapulco Gold, which is an independent. I think it's going to be released
through Columbia, but I'm not sure at this point. And the picture I've just finished, which is AIP, which is a Bert
Gordor horror movie called H.G. Wells' Empire of the Ants, and that's with Joan Collins.
Do you play a musical instrument?
Not well. I kind of fooled around with guitar,
and I played drums when I was a kid.
If you had time to care for a pet, which one would you choose?
My two cats.
What is your favorite color? Food? Beverage?
Favorite color - I don't have one. Food?
I don't have a favorite food. Beverage? I don't know. Beer and -- Scotch -- I guess.
What about type of music?
I kind or range sort of wide there. I like
all kinds of popular music, and I like some classical, too.
What foreign language(s) do you speak?
Foreign languages? Not any well enough to
get along.
Who are your favorite authors?
James Joyce, James Joyce, and James Joyce.
Now, let's see...who else? How about Willa Cather? I don't really know. I have probably... Books are, I
guess, the largest... The most difficult decorating problem that I have is getting all the books into the house. I have
one, two, three, four seven-foot bookcases, so I can't tell you who my favorite authors are. I like a lot. I'm
reading Mel Row right at the moment -- I like him. The Ability to Love, that's a good one. Ethan
Fromme, that's a beauty! That is a really good book!
Are you superstitious?
I think I am a little bit, yeah. I don't
really like to think so, but I think I am, a little bit.
Do you like cats?
I don't like all cats, like I don't like all people,
I guess.
Do you believe in Astrology?
Not really, but I pay attention to it. I
have a friend... I don't know how to answer that! 'Do you believe in Astrology?' Well, I guess I just answered
it. I have a friend who does my charts, etc... and when she says 'Don't go on that airplane', or something, I guess
I tend to rebook.
Your birth month has been listed as the first part of June.
Do you consider yourself the typical Gemini personality -- hating routine, mercurial, etc...?
No, not entirely. But, then, my friend who
does all of that stuff says that you can't tell anything by just a sun sign anyway. That you have to have the three
of them all together. And apparently, let's see...my rising sign, I think, is Sagittarius, and my moon is Capricorn.
She says I'm close to Sagittarius. What that means, I really don't know, because I haven't looked it up.
Do you believe there is super-intelligent life somewhere in the
universe? In this galaxy?
Well, I don't see how you can believe something
that you don't have any basis for. I mean, I have no idea whether there is or there isn't. In our galaxy?
No, I doubt it. I'm not sure that, if there were, we'd ever know. There's just the time differences. The
time and space differences are really scientifically forbidding for anything like that for us ever knowing. I don't
know.
If your answer to the above is yes, do you believe that man will
someday encounter such a race?
I hope not, because every time in our history
that a less advanced, or less technologically advanced race... The more technically advanced race wipes out the other ones,
so I hope we don't run into anybody then.
Film books give your real name as Robert Heywood Brown.
Some have claimed to see a resemblance between you and Robert Brown of Here Come the Brides. Any relation?
No, wrong. Robert Howell Brown. No
relation, but I've known him for a long time and, of course, the fact that he was a member of Equity before I was is why I
had to change my name. Equity won't let you use your real name if somebody already has it. But he's a nice man.
What person influenced your life more than any other?
I don't think I'll tell you that.
What personality trait do you like to see most in other people?
(Laughing) I don't know. I suppose an ability to talk one
person to one person, and not to manipulate...to not manipulate. Those are...I mean, that kind of sounds negative.
Maybe that's... There are manipulators in all walks of life, and I don't particularly like them.
When you meet someone new, what is the first thing you want to learn about them?
How much money they have! (Laughing) It depends upon the person,
you know. If it's a beautiful woman, the first thing I want to know, to learn about her, is something different that
if it's some professor of psychology at NYU. I don't know.
Feminine fans asked this most frequently: What is most important
in a woman -- physical beauty or a pleasing personality?
(Amused laughter) Well, that depends
upon whether I'm in the mood to talk at the moment or not.
If fans recognize you on the street and are well-mannered about
it, and it's one of those rare moments when you have a bit of free time, would you be interested in talking with them, or
would you prefer that they respect your privacy?
I don't mind at all if people talk to me, as long
as, when they finish, they stop. You know, I think that the only real imposition is when people say 'I like your work'
and you say 'Thank you', then they start to continue on a long conversation and walk with you, or something. That I
don't like.
Do you believe that serious, well-mannered fans help or hinder a
performer's career?
I think that what makes a performer's career is
how many people go to see him, so I suppose that's what you're talking about. I certainly want people to go to see me
if I'm working someplace!
If a young person came to you asking your advice upon entering the
acting profession, what would you tell them?
I would tell them to get their education and try
to think about doing something else as a profession because it's not much of a profession any more, it's sort of a rich man's
hobby.
Let's see, there were several questions
about Gary Seven. However, a role done so long ago in relation to roles done afterwards is not easy to recall.
That is, the viewers are still submerged in the past; you've gone ahead. Therefore the G7 questions will be rolled up
into one. 'Any memories you'd like to share?' Yes. Working with the cat was interesting. Most of that
stuff was -- some of it was written, and some of it was ad-libbed, because the cats... We had three, and you don't train cats.
What you do is, you get cats who have a propensity for climbing into your lap, or doing this or doing that. One of the
cats and I got along very, very well, and so, whenever he was doing a scene, they would just release the cat, and wherever
he went was wherever I would play to him. So, some of that stuff was ad-libbed, and I enjoyed that, particularly the
stuff on the...where he/she was crawling over me on the girder. I don't remember whether it was a male or a female that
we used most of the time. I can't remember. I think it was a female.
Did your guest appearance on Star Trek hurt or help your career?
I'm sure it -- I suppose it helped. I don't
think of it in terms of career quite that way. I really think of it in terms of enjoyable parts I've played.
Two things I wanted to add:
I forgot entirely about Bet Davis, who was certainly
one of my favorite actresses and I've loved her performances in pictures. And I also forgot another one! Two of
my top motion picture actors, well, and stage, too -- Spencer Tracy, whom I just adored, and I've learned something every
time I watch him. He's had a great effect on the way I work. And Betty Davis. I like her choices, and I
like her toughness. They both have a certain kind of a toughness and a certain kind of willingness to be unattractive.
But Tracy, to me, was in many ways... Well, he was certainly one of the finest actors of his time; and, of course, just not
in motion pictures. He was a theater actor first, and he worked the same way there. He added a great life to everything
he did, and he had a great concentration and... his concentration was on what was happening, and on what the character was
doing, and on the other characters, rather than on appearing attractive, or brave, or anything else. It was good to...
He was really a fine, fine motion picture actor. I liked some of the things Cagney did very much.
Well, I think that answers about all of your questions. you asked me
a question back there, too: 'Who had the most influence on my life?' and I kind of didn't answer it or I said I did not feel
like it. The only reason was, I didn't want to get too personal, but... The Frenchwoman who wrote Take My Word
for It, whatever her name is, she said a marvelous thing, and she was talking about women. She said, 'Women are
shaped by the men they love', and I suppose that's true of men, too. I really think that the women I have loved have
been, had the most effect on my own life. Certainly my mother, who died when I was quite young, and the other women
I've loved... That's enough of that!
Thank you for asking all of the questions, and I've enjoyed it.
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